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they just use whatever works

wdym by doctors use whatever works??

KIZO!

Thats technically by the subconscious right?

if you want to call it that then sure, but the difference with a tulpa is your attributing it to another mind entity, which exists because you believe it exists theres no difference between something being made up in your mind and it existing in your mind, pretty much everything in your mind is made up

there are parts of psychology that are very strongly explained by science, but a lot of it isn't

KiTTiKaTTy( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧

they just use whatever works

Wouldn't they have to like atleast get SOME proof for that then

of course, they just have proof by seeing what works what doesn't lol

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for example, noone knows why journaling works, but doctors prescribe it

KIZO!

Wouldn't they have to like atleast get SOME proof for that then

you cant just make something up and be like okay this works!

berockly (TTG)

if you want to call it that then sure, but the difference with a tulpa is your attributing it to another mind entity, which exists because you believe it exists theres no difference between something being made up in your mind and it existing in your mind, pretty much everything in your mind is made up

So tulpas arnt entirely real?

there are some explanations, but it doesn't matter

KIZO!

So tulpas arnt entirely real?

i didnt say that

You said everything in your mind is made up so dose that include tulpas

they arent really physical beings though, apart from the neurons they exist on

KIZO!

You said everything in your mind is made up so dose that include tulpas

and yourself

ok here's the thing: you create an experience it feels real it is exactly what you wanted it to be does it matter if there is an explanation to it? what would it add to it?

do u have proof of them existing tho thats the main question

So I'm made up too?

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I'm not getting it

KiTTiKaTTy( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧

ok here's the thing: you create an experience it feels real it is exactly what you wanted it to be does it matter if there is an explanation to it? what would it add to it?

hallucions feel real, but are they? no

KIZO!

So I'm made up too?

by your experiences and knowledge

do u have proof of them existing tho thats the main question

@🪷 - jump i don't have a proof that you exist

Yes that is true

hallucions feel real, but are they? no

@🪷 - jump the >experience< of hallucination is real

7:46 PM

>all< you need in tulpamancy is >experience<

KiTTiKaTTy( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧

hallucions feel real, but are they? no

@🪷 - jump the >experience< of hallucination is real

The experience is created by your mind it's kinda artificial in my opinion

thats like saying hallucinations are real cos u saw it

The experience is created by your mind it's kinda artificial in my opinion

@KIZO! - jump sure, just like your identity and sense of self, or memories

7:46 PM

they aren't real

to have a tulpa: have a thoughtform in the mind that moves consider it not you idk theres probably something else to it

and yet, the experience of those things is real

berockly (TTG)

to have a tulpa: have a thoughtform in the mind that moves consider it not you idk theres probably something else to it

But what if it is you

KiTTiKaTTy( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧

and yet, the experience of those things is real

does it mean its real though?

if you want to have an explanation how tulpamancy works, i can tell you how i understand it, but it doesn't matter at all

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and it's not scientific at all

KIZO!

But what if it is you

that depends on what you consider you in the brain

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it is you if you consider it to be

KIZO!

But what if it is you

Arnt you deludeing yourself to get an experience the

but isnt if you consider it not to be

berockly (TTG)

it is you if you consider it to be

then your lying to yourself?

🪷

then your lying to yourself?

no

yes

eliza you are being disingenuous and aren't even trying to understand

7:48 PM

you are stuck in certain way of looking at it

Ok but how dose this work like you slowly create a thought form/tulpa but how, how dose your brain do this

heres an explanation, unsure how good it is but it is one

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Tulpa: A secondary train of thought you create through practice and training that has its own identity and its responses are autonomous and created subconsciously. Meaning the thoughts seem as if they were from another being and entirely unintentional from you. This is possible because basically you're associating a particular line of thought to something external and as the association gets deeper the process becomes automatic and you can keep making more associations to flesh out the identity of those thoughts more, which becomes a Tulpa.

when you are raised, your environment and parents build your identity. you might have separate identities for separate group of friends. in my view tulpa or any headmate is an identity like this, separated or dissociated from you to the point that it doesn't feel like you at all

and by external, it means external from you, not necasarily something physical

berockly (TTG)

Tulpa: A secondary train of thought you create through practice and training that has its own identity and its responses are autonomous and created subconsciously. Meaning the thoughts seem as if they were from another being and entirely unintentional from you. This is possible because basically you're associating a particular line of thought to something external and as the association gets deeper the process becomes automatic and you can keep making more associations to flesh out the identity of those thoughts more, which becomes a Tulpa.

So like it's a skill you develop

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So if you consider your subconscious you then the tulpa would just be a facet of yourself depending on how you all see it and perceive it right?

KIZO!

So like it's a skill you develop

you can look at it as training your mind to think from a different lense, while associating the thinking from the different lense as a separate thing from you

KIZO!

So if you consider your subconscious you then the tulpa would just be a facet of yourself depending on how you all see it and perceive it right?

key word is "depending on how you see and percieve it"

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phrase*

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that entirely is why the tulpa i real

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is*

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you perceive it as real

So if you consider your subconscious you then the tulpa would just be a facet of yourself depending on how you all see it and perceive it right?

@KIZO! - jump if you say "just" you greatly underestimate how that works

7:52 PM

what you think is you is not the real you

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and "you" is a very fluid term

berockly (TTG)

you perceive it as real

But is it actually real when unperceived

am i at least getting better at this kat?

you can view your body as you, and you may not

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you can view your emotions as you, and you may not

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you can view your thoughts as you, and you may not

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it's all arbitrary

I believe in tulpamancy don't get me wrong I just have some questions along with Eliza

KIZO!

But is it actually real when unperceived

if it is unperceived it doesnt exist to be judged

are you breating, or is the breathing happening on its own?

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is the breath you?

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it depends on how you choose to perceive it, it's arbitrary

Yeah that's the bodies autopilot function and it can count as a me but how dose this contribute to what were talking about

and depending on your choice, you will feel that you are controlling the breath

explaining things

Yeah that's the bodies autopilot function and it can count as a me but how dose this contribute to what were talking about

@KIZO! - jump it only counts as you if you choose to

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if you define it that way

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am i at least getting better at this kat?

@berockly (TTG) - jump maybe!

KIZO!

Yeah that's the bodies autopilot function and it can count as a me but how dose this contribute to what were talking about

okay, look at it like this right now you jut associated actions with something that isnt you

I did

you associated automatic body actions as "autopilot"

It's more like a part of me

anyway i need to go packing, have fun guys

It's not me but it's also me hard to explain

KIZO!

It's not me but it's also me hard to explain

its you if you consider it you

7:56 PM

read this again

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Tulpa: A secondary train of thought you create through practice and training that has its own identity and its responses are autonomous and created subconsciously. Meaning the thoughts seem as if they were from another being and entirely unintentional from you. This is possible because basically you're associating a particular line of thought to something external and as the association gets deeper the process becomes automatic and you can keep making more associations to flesh out the identity of those thoughts more, which becomes a Tulpa.

Yeah but I'm just trying to say it's it actually you

"associating it to something external"

KIZO!

Yeah but I'm just trying to say it's it actually you

if you say it is, yes

It's more like a part of me

@KIZO! - jump ok so let me tell you something from my treatment of DID that you might find relevant you start as a few people feeling separate in your head then you work towards feeling they are all part of one person then you work towards those people being one person at none of those points you could say "those are actually separate people" o "they are all part of the same person" or "it is one person" there is no objectivity to it, for an observer it is all semantics and a perspective they choose to pick but, from the person being treated, those experiences are >real< and that's all that matters

What causes it to even be automatic

KIZO!

What causes it to even be automatic

the tulpa or autopilot? (edited)

Tulpa

how good is your imagination

KiTTiKaTTy( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧

It's more like a part of me

@KIZO! - jump ok so let me tell you something from my treatment of DID that you might find relevant you start as a few people feeling separate in your head then you work towards feeling they are all part of one person then you work towards those people being one person at none of those points you could say "those are actually separate people" o "they are all part of the same person" or "it is one person" there is no objectivity to it, for an observer it is all semantics and a perspective they choose to pick but, from the person being treated, those experiences are >real< and that's all that matters

I have different facets, we all create one person

berockly (TTG)

how good is your imagination

Good it's very vivid

oh yeah? do you have scientific proof for that

Yes and no

then no

KIZO!

Good it's very vivid

okay, so imagine watching a car drive down the road

and here's the thing: you don't need scientific proof